Cannabis Seeds

 

Canadian Cannabis Web Sites Seized

The RCMP in Canada has apparently closed down one of the world's largest cannabis growers websites and at least one Canadian cannabis seed compay. Most troubling is that authorities seized the servers for these sites which reportedly held large databases of cannabis growers and enthusiasts. No confirmed information yet about arrests. If you are able to log onto these sites now it's likely they are being run as entrapment operations by law enforcement. Cannabisworld.com and Overgrow.com Seized By Police
Source: Cannabis Culture Magazine Marc Emery (03 Feb, 2006)
Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Company, and Eurohemp.com Shut Down and Servers Seized by Canadian Police

When the world's largest websites for cannabis growers and enthusiasts disappeared from the web on Monday, January 30,Richard Calrisian? or Boucher? it was thought to be a server problem. As the week dragged on, tens of thousands of members, seed company sponsors, growers and fans worried there might be more than mere 'server' problems as Richard Calrisian (a pseudonym) had not made any statements in any web based media about any 'technical' problems.Now it appears Heaven's Stairway Seeds (hempqc.com),Cannabisworld.com, Overgrow.com, Eurohemp.com have been shut down and the owners arrested in Canada; all their web properties seized, including the physical servers that held massive databases on thousands of growers, and tens of thousands of photographs of cannabis plants. Seed companies by the dozens used both Overgrow.com and Cannabisworld.com as a main trading ground. Over 40 seed companies had customer service interactive forums on these sites. All the information held on those servers is now in the hands of police. It is not known what charges have been laid nor against whom. That police havenot boasted about this seizure means the investigation is continuing, before any affected parties can react.
Cannabis Culture began receiving emails on Wednesday saying Richard Calrisian and his wife had been arrested along with four employees, but this could not be corroborated.

 

Overgrow.com unavailable
On the website www.icmag.com, seed merchant Gypsy Nirvana, operating from
England where cannabis seeds are legal, posted this news late Friday:

"It is with great sadness that I bring you the news that RC and HS, OG and
CW have been taken down by the authorities in Canada.....

...I have it from a bonofide source that it happened on monday and RC's
computers/servers have most probably been siezed, they spent 2 days going
thru his house and removed alot of stuff ...His wife and some members of his family were also taken into custody and
it's possible that she may be released tommorrow on bail... There has not
been a peep in the media about this so there could be a reason why it was
not advertised by LEO......BE WARNED! not to try and log on to Overgrow or
Cannaworld for now since most certainly the security of that site has been
compromised and if it comes back up without me first hearing from RC then it
is NOT being run by him.....think about it!

...This could bring up some real security issues with many
Overgrow/Cannabisworld members.........be warned guys and do what you need
to do to make it safer for all of you.......duck and cover if needs be....


The name Richard Baghdadlian is listed with the Quebec Registry of Corporations (418-643-3625) --- company registration 9102-1352 Quebec, Inc (Heaven's Stairway)

Home number 514-856-0244

 


The Connection

And with the risks involved with a new Conservative government and a Bush America, after the DEA raid on Marc Emery seeds and his charge for "conspiring to grow marijuana", one can assume that RC would face the same with Overgrow.com ("conspiring to grow marijuana") and selling marijuana seeds (through Heaven's Stairway) and decided he'd rather stop paying for the websites, stop doing business in North America (wise move) and set up a new life somewhere safer.

 

The Choice The time for accountability has arrived.

 

Under the Liberals, gun, drug, and gang crime has increased and border, port, and airport security has been soft.  A new government must toughen criminal justice, impose mandatory minimum sentences for serious crimes, and strengthen our border security.

The Conservative Party will stand up for:

  • Mandatory prison sentences for serious drug trafficking,including the cultivation of marijuana, weapons, and violent offences, and ending house arrests for violent, sexual, and other serious offences.
  • Ending the wasteful long-gun registry and using the savings to hire more front-line police officers.
  • Protecting women and children from sex offenders through a mandatory DNA data bank, raising the age of sexual consent from 14 to 16 years old, and ending all defence loopholes for child pornography.
  • Strengthening border port and airport security, consolidating security services under a new National Security Commissioner, and quickly deporting non-citizen criminals.

 

“marijuana is extremely physically addictive”

A vicious prohibitionist...nice one Vic...

The Conservative Party Leader Stephen Harper was sworn in today as Prime Minister, and his Cabinet choices announced. A vicious prohibitionist was named to the Justice Ministry portfolio. Former prosecutor Vic Toews (pronounced Taves) now holds the position of Justice Minister. Mr. Toews has embraced many falsehoods as you can see in his remarks in Parliament reprinted below, such as “marijuana is extremely physically addictive”, and is convinced that we need thousands more people in Canadian jails. Thank you for visiting my website! I hope you find this site beneficial and informative, and I encourage you to come back often. As the member of Parliament for Provencher it has always been an honour to represent your interests in Ottawa.  Please feel free to search through our website for information on the issues most important to you and your family. As always, my staff are available to assist you with any questions you may have.  Feel free to contact one of my offices during regular business hours and we would be pleased to assist you.

 

 

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'The Conspiracy theories begin'

Some of the seed dealers that delt with RC are gettin busted. There is evidence that RC was arrested 9 months ago, and may have been cooperating with the police for as long. Looks like a lot of North American breeders are goin away...

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He's just gone according to Marc Scott Emery  

The server upgrade was the cover for disappearing altogether. A number of people who do biz at both cannabisworld and overgrow told me the day it went down that "thats server upgrade,Marc Scott Emery nothing to be concerned about". I still said, "but why wouldn't you have the DNS redirected to a page that merely updated that information? " Yet when I asked this obvious question those companies close to overgrow/rc/cannabisworld showed no concern at all. So 9 days after servers shut dow, we've called prisons, people have supplied us with RC's "real" name, we've called around, and more close associates came in and asked us not to say Richard disappeared, that it would be good "if people don't know for a while.".
Police would have announced the bust. Family members aren't talking because they have no reason to. No one is worried about RC's life or health or any prospect of jail. He's just gone.
OG may get sold at some point, but not right away. Its still intact apparently and I think people are just being patient who have a vested interest in those sites.

'speculation is all their is'

When I was busted, my people reassured everyone right away, even though we didn't really has anyone's sensitive information. You guys do it how you want, but if overgrowers are roaming the net combing for scraps of verifiable information, we tried to find it, and we talked about what we found.
Thats why its in the socializing lounge and not the News & Events because none of the people involved are willing to talk. Its all speculation. And from what you folks have provided me, speculation is all their is.

February 11th Source: Cannabis Culture Magazine

 

Heavens Stairway Over Grow Richard Baghdadlian RC = RB Testifies Marc Emery

Posted by christbuors @ 23:15 Does Canada have a Witness Protection Program? Will Narc Emery be allowed to stay in Canada as long as he keeps posting states evidence on Cannabis Culture Cannibals Forums? Pass around the Electric Koolaide boys it is time for the acid test. Marc Emery publicly rats out Richard Baghdad for what reason? Is this a gangland style purging selling out the completion's gang members to protect your own? Why is Marc Emery ignoring Chris Doty's death? Why is Marc Emery injecting himself into the OverGrow story? How can the cult of Emery mindlessly support their leader calling the police, reporting the crime, follow up by calling every other government agency that might be involved. This is called informing on a competitor not reporting on a bust. Are reporters now calling the police to report a crime and provide contact information and evidence then report that there is an investigation going on?

 

The man behind Overgrow Richard Boucher?

In the beginning, it was said to be server problems. Then it was rumors of arrests. Now there's confirmation.

ShoutWire was the first source to cover this story with enough detail to 'connect the dots' for the masses.

Police raided the home of Canadian resident Richard Calrisian (Boucher?) owner of the popular marijuana website Overgrow.com on Thursday. He was arrested and charged with one count of possession of a controlled substance and one count of possession of a controlled substance with the purpose of trafficking.

If you are not familiar with overgrow.com, it is one of the largest marijuana websites on the net. It also has one of the biggest communities of growers anywhere. Add to that the fact that police are rumored to have seized computer components and you can see why this might have some people sweating a little bit more than usual.

An anonymous member of OG was quoted as saying “Man, I'd go nowhere near that site”. A webmaster of a related site that was said to be close to the individuals has posted on his own site , “be warned guys and do what you need to do to make it safer for all of you ... duck and cover if needs be.”

While it is not exactly clear whether or not information will be taken from the computers and used to bring charges against others, it is a very definite possibility and has got some folks on edge.

 

The Accused and the Charges

 

On the 02nd of February 2006, a joint drug investigation conducted by members of Project Northern Gateway (an O.P.P. Drug Enforcement Section lead initiative), and members of the Hearst Detachment of the Ontario Provincial Police, resulted in the arrest of four Hearst residents. At approximately 5:30 P.M a search warrant was executed at a Prince Street in the Town of Hearst. The search of the residence resulted in the seizure of cannabis marijuana, cannabis resin, cocaine, and approximately $2000.00 in Canadian Currency. Upon execution of the search warrant, police also located a cannabis marijuana grow operation in the basement of the residence.

The controlled substances seized have a potential street value of approximately $31,000.00. The property seized has a value of approximately $2000.00.

Charged: 1) Jean PITRE
Date of Birth: 26 February 1961
Address: 61 Rose Street,
Hearst , ON

Offences: 1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance - Section 4(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

Court: 1st appearance – 08 March 2006.
Release: Promise to Appear

Charged: 2) Richard BOUCHER (Calrisian)?
Date of Birth: 31 May 1956
Address: 316 Prince Street
Hearst, ON

Offences: 1 count of Production of a Controlled Substance – Cannabis Marijuana - Section 7(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance – Cannabis Marijuana - for the Purpose of Trafficking - Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

Court: 1st appearance – 08 March 2006.
Release: Promise to Appear and Undertaking.

Charged: 3) Jeremy BOUCHER
Date of Birth: 15 December 1985
Address: 316 Prince Street
Hearst, ON

Offences: 1 count of Production of a Controlled Substance – Cannabis Marijuana – Section 7(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance - Cannabis Marijuana - Section 4(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance – Cannabis Marijuana - for the Purpose of Trafficking - Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance – Cocaine – Section 4(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

Court: 1st appearance – 08 March 2006.
Release: Promise to Appear and Undertaking

Charged: 4) Julie MACAMEAU
Date of Birth: 05 September 1966
Address: 316 Prince Street
Hearst, ON

Offences: 1 count of Production of a Controlled Substance – Cannabis Marijuana – Section 7(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance - Cannabis Marijuana - Section 4(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance – Cannabis Marijuana - for the Purpose of Trafficking - Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

Court: 1st appearance – 22 November 2006.
Release: Promise to Appear and Undertaking

Source: ITVNEWS.COM

 

Lastest Update: Feb 13th

At 10.23 pacific, 1.23 a.m. Monday eastern time, its now 120 hours since an "official" statement was forthcoming....
This is a very serious subject and situation, so I will only tolerate posts that are contributions in ideas or credible, intelligent speculation. I've little patience for anything less and will bar the unintelligent or wastes of space (& my time). This impacts on thousands of people potentially, and certainly impacts on High Times Magazine who had an official relationship with Overgrow.com. High Times Magazine should be issuing a statement about what has happened to their official on-line partner.
All pivotal questions remain...
where is he?
what happened?

Source:Cannabis Culture Magazine

Marc 'Emery' that is readers and any others ready to point your fingers,
Who is the enemy? RB or the LEO's & the law? Even if RB is a snitch, (and I do not know if he is or not) he is just another WOD victim not the root cause of the problem. Attacking RB without knowledge of what happened is just not fair, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? It would be like stupid trolls that posted you were guilty of allowing the cops to trace your seed sales to the USA and elsewhere causing many to be arrested.
From the DEA site:
"EMERY is accused of selling millions of dollars of marijuana seeds over the internet, though the mail, and in person to individuals in the United States and across the globe. The DEA, in an investigation of EMERY has traced his seeds to illegal marijuana crops in Indiana, Florida, California, Tennessee, Montana, Virginia, Michigan, New Jersey and North Dakota. An estimated 75% of the seeds EMERY sells are transported to the United States."
But does this mean that you helped the DEA??? I doubt it. But uninformed trolls could certainly interpret the DEA web site to mean this. They did bust growers using your seeds, the question is did your posted seeds to the USA lead the pigs to the growers, or did the pigs bust US grows and also found evidence that they had bought seeds from you?
We all need to remember that there is only one enemy, it is the police and the laws they use to jail Cannabis people. To attack RB or any other pro Cannabis person that is fighting the police and the Cannabis laws is just not right, at the very least until they have had a chance to say their side of the story. No one knows what happen yet to RB and even you have changed your ideas several times, why not just wait until the truth comes out?
People wonder why Cannabis has been illegal for 60 years, I say if we don't even know who to fight we will never win the fight. Trashing RB or people trashing you when you were busted is just what the pigs want, and here you and others are doing their job for them,

SHAME ON ANYONE THAT FORGETS WHO THE REAL ENEMY IS. -LOGICAL

Source:Cannabis Culture Magazine

A self righteous prick...who is always right

Folks I see that you are all a little tired of the OG thing. But that does not mean you need to rain on anyones paraid. This is why we as humans are afraid to say what we want to unless we are being a faithful Emery supportercritical of anothers comments. Why don't we let go of this attitude and show the people that really matter the critical conjecture. Not fighting amungst ourselves while there is a new, stronger, ...REAL enemy on the horizon. Am I the only one who realizes the conservatives got elected? The time to unite is now...now more then ever put the bitching aside. And this includes the holier then thow OG mods and admins. A faithful OG supporter...and since I read my first HT mag, and found out about CC, a faithful Emery supporter. A self righteous prick...who is always right,
Peco

'disabled, possibly by law enforcement'

If you google " overgrow .com IP security" those cache pages are not available, but most other aspects of the overgrow .com can be seen in cache format. It has been brought to my attention that this may mean that was disabled, possibly by law enforcement.

Silence is tantamount to collaboration
Mark Emery
Cannabis Culture

Feb 17th 2006

If he's been arrested, as that story goes, he was investigated, and if he was investigated
it means he was probably"raided"and that means seed orders or information was seized. Now it may not mean that is what happened, but I've been raided enough to know how a raid and investigations work, 6 times so I am fairly familiar with this thing. And in every investigation, they finalize it by a seizure of material to corroborate the investigation.
Silence, considering the nature of this business, is tantamount to collaboration because tens of thousands of people (urged on by myself, Gypsy Nirvana, and others) are going to shut up shop, get out of the grow biz, stop growing. Baghdadlian has obligations to communicate whats happening, even under personal pain.

Feb 18th 2006

A small American newspaper in the Gannett chain is releasing a story on Friday that comes to a different conclusion about the fate of overgrow.com, The writer interviewed myself, Baghdadlian's mom, and theres some new information in there that only deepens the mystery. It will cause others to seek out what happened. Mark Emery

Marc Emery working with the Authorities CC OG and CW IP’s were logged?

Jodie Ramsay posted the following lengthy post from a secret source to help explain what is going on with OverGrow and Cannabis World. We have included the post in whole due to the short lifespan of many CanCult post. The story rambles on like a poorly written Marc Emery Black Ops Press Release. The short of it being a mystery friend collects $50,000.00 to assist RC, no strings attached, serious money and so the story goes Marc Emery unsurprisingly turning out to Jodie’s and our hero. Full Blog...

Lastest Update: Feb 19th

Hratch Baghdadlian

By Leif M. Wright

Phoenix Staff Writer
Muskogee Daily Phoenix

GreenThum43215: Hey, are you the Phoenix guy?

LeifMWright: Yes. Who’s this?

GreenThum43215: You interested in an internet story?

LeifMWright: I’m all ears.

GreenThum43215: Have you ever heard of overgrow.com?

That Internet chat began the weirdest column I’ve ever undertaken, one full of international intrigue, secret marijuana gardens, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Drug Enforcement Administration, a shady character with an Armenian name, a former movie actor turned marijuana seed dealer and tens of thousands of freaked-out potheads who started what I call the Marijuana Bean Field Wars.
Overgrow.com was the world’s largest marijuana cultivation Web site, and possibly the largest single marketplace of illegal Leif M Wrightideas in the history of the world. The site taught growers the ins and outs of the plant and how to increase their yields and ostensibly increase the THC content. THC is the chemical believed to cause the “high” of marijuana.
At its peak before Jan. 31, Overgrow.com had more than 100,000 active members — a massive amount for all but the largest web sites, and certainly for one that exchanged information that is illegal in most places.
Jan. 31, the site disappeared. Poof. Up in smoke, you might say.
It had warned users a couple of days earlier that it would be undergoing server upgrades, so expect some outages. So no one panicked.
A day later, the site was still gone. Potheads, who are notoriously paranoid already, began to wig out.
What if the site had been busted? Would members be subject to prosecution based on the information they had shared on the site? Had authorities been watching the whole time, building up information so they could attack?

The war begins

GreenThum43215: A lot of people around here are freaking out. Probably an understatement.
I started searching the Internet for information about Overgrow.com. I found a slew of forums and dozens of sites repeating the same news: Overgrow.com and its parent site, Heaven’s Stairway, had been shut down, their Canadian owner arrested, his house raided and his family jailed.
Heaven’s Stairway was a seed distribution company. Marijuana growers call the seeds “beans.” Heaven’s Stairway, according to Canadian pot activist Marc Emery, had to be the largest seed merchant in North America, selling cannabis seeds all across Canada and the United States, and probably to other countries, too.
The stories on the Internet didn’t answer some key questions. Were the Web sites shut down by Canadian authorities, or were they, as Emery’s own bust nine months earlier, done in cooperation with the DEA?
Who was the mysterious owner of the sites, and what happened to him? Was he in jail? Was he out? Was he even alive?
What happened to the records of his seed business and the logs on his site that could possibly lead police to those who frequented the site?
Internet forums were atwitter with the details — or lack of them.
It seems the sites were owned by a Richard Calrisian in Montreal.
But later, it seemed “Calrisian” had been an alias. His real name was Richard Baghdadlian. And later, it seemed “Richard” was an alias, too. His real name, they asserted, was Hratch Baghdadlian.
No one seemed to be able to find any official records of his arrest, or even of an investigation.
That, the growers seemed unified in believing, was even more ominous. If the cops had busted Baghdadlian but hadn’t arrested him, it could be that they were still investigating — or worse, Baghdadlian was cooperating with them, singing like a canary, selling out seed customers, seed merchants and growers all over the continent.

I called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police headquarters in Ottawa.

“We don’t confirm or deny if there is an ongoing investigation,” said Sgt. Nathalie Dechenes, spokesman for the RCMP. “So we wouldn’t tell you either way. I don’t know if we even have authority to shut down Web sites.”
So I called Emery, who was busted nine months ago and is facing extradition to the United States on charges of selling marijuana seeds in the U.S.
“I’m facing 31 years in a maximum security federal prison,” Emery said. “It seems to me if Baghdadlian was facing the same thing, he might have started cooperating if they offered to drop the investigation in the U.S. and keep him in Canada.”
Emery had run a seed company in competition with Heaven’s Stairway. When he was busted, his computers were seized (“Nothing was on them,” he said), and his clients in the United States started receiving blue sheets of paper asking them to confirm orders they had placed with his company.
“It was essentially an effort to try to get them to incriminate themselves,” he said. “But most were smart enough to hit my Web site and find out it was the DEA and not us sending those notices out.”
Meanwhile, several cannabis-related sites were breaking out into full civil war over the Overgrow debacle.
On one side was a fomer movie actor who had had a bit part in a Jean-Claude VanDamme flick and now was calling himself “Gypsy Nirvana.” He claimed to have spoken with “RC,” which was a pseudonym for Baghdadlian (growers seem to be big on initials and acronyms).
RC, Nirvana assured everyone, had been arrested, but he was out on bail and he had shut down the servers when he learned of the impending raid — everyone’s information was safe.
Dissenters began to surface, however, saying Nirvana had a profit motive in mind; he wanted Heaven’s Stairway’s seed business.
On the other side was someone calling himself “Plural of Mongoose,” who apparently commanded great respect in the growing community. He also claimed to have spoken with RC, who had told him several lies, some of which, combined with a friend being busted, led him to believe RC was cooperating with the authorities.
Caught in the middle was Emery, whose own case had generated a lot of publicity, and who is loved by about half the growing community and violently hated by the other half. Emery’s initial statement on the matter had been that Baghdadlian, tired of the seed business, had decided it was time to bail, so he shut up shop and took off to greener pastures, no pun intended.
The battle raged on in Internet boards with Nirvana accusing Emery of being a jerk for revealing Baghdadlian’s name and phone number on his own site.
Others said Baghdadlian was the jerk for leaving his business partners high and dry, wondering if they could be busted at any time based on information from his servers.

No bust, no investigation, mom says

I called a number given on one site for Baghdadlian. A woman answered and gave her name as “Mrs. Baghdadlian.”
She confirmed that Hratch is her son and that he was the proprietor of Heaven’s Stairway and Overgrow.com.
“Nothing has happened, there is nothing right now,” she said in an Armenian accent. “He has not been arrested. There is no investigation.”
I asked her if Baghdadlian had shut the servers down himself. She started stuttering.
“Um,” she said. “I don’t think I can say anything more than this.”
I asked if she knew where I could reach him to talk to him. She said she did not.
“Wow,” Emery said when I told him about the conversation. “That sure lends credence to the idea that he took the money and ran.”
It’s possible that Baghdadlian had noticed an increased amount of government servers hitting his sites, saw the writing on the wall and bailed. Emery agreed it was possible.
“Before I was raided, about six weeks before, there was a huge Department of Justice focus on our Web site,” he said. “Our server logs revealed their IP addresses and we were able to do a whois on them and find out where the hits were coming from.”
Taking the money and running would explain Baghdadlian’s silence — and the silence of law enforcement, which had thrown a big media party when they busted Emery, patting themselves very publicly on the back for such a large takedown.

What does it mean to you?

The bottom line is those who were doing business with Baghdadlian and Emery were breaking the law if they were doing it in the United States — they took a tremendous risk to break the law, and they are likely wise to be worried.
Doing that business over the Internet may have given people a false sense of security, since the Internet allows people to feel “anonymous.” In the marijuana growing community, the disappearance of Overgrow has made them rudely aware that Internet anonymity is an illusion.
For law enforcement, if there was no bust, they may still benefit from Baghdadlian’s disappearance. Growers all over the Internet were proclaiming that they were done — they were shutting their operations down for fear “LEO” would come get them based on information obtained from Baghdadlian’s debacle.
The net gain for law enforcement is a new paranoia in the cannabis-growing world — and fewer people growing, which means shorter supply and less headache for “LEO.”
The average, law-abiding citizen can take a good message away from the mess, too, though. The message:
“You’re never anonymous,” Emery said. “It’s impossible. Governments are investing huge amounts of money to monitor what’s going on on the Internet. If they’re interested in knowing something, they’ll get it.”
Protecting yourself over the Internet — even in legitimate business — should take top priority. You may never have thought about breaking a law yourself, but your information is scattered all over the Internet, and those with less scruples than you can easily gain access to it and use it to defraud you.
Be careful. The Internet is still a rough new frontier, much like Oklahoma was in the Land Run years. You may not be facing droughts and maurading bandits, but you face less-than-honest people who will take your information and use it to hurt you.
“Never do business with anyone who won’t give you a real name,” Emery said.
More importantly, never do online business with a company you haven’t thoroughly seen to be trustworthy. Even big companies suffer from “phishing,” where people will pretend to be the big companies and request personal information from you, which is later used to defraud you.
For those doing illegal business over the Internet, my advice is this: Just don’t.

You can reach Leif M. Wright at 684-2906 or lmwright@muskogeephoenix.com.
muskogeephoenix.com

WHAT REALY HAPPENED by Mark Emery

SOURCE CANNABIS CULTURE :23/02/2006

Here's my COMPLETE GUESS of a timeline:

Late December, early January: Baghdadlian is alerted to an increased number of Canadian government (and perhaps Department of Justice) hits on either Overgrow, Heaven's Stairway, Cannabis World or all three. He maybe even got a bogus order or two from some government source. He knew the gig was up. * (Because Baghdadlian didn't renew some seed orders since summer, this event may have happened much earlier)
A day or two later: Mark EmeryBaghdadlian decides it's time to bail. He's made a boatload of money on the seed business, but he has a valuable property on his hands in the Web businesses. Selling, however lucrative, might take too long and alert people to his intentions, which would mean he might not make a clean getaway. He does the math. If he delays a few seed orders shipping, he can keep the money and make up for the lost opportunity of selling Overgrow, to which he may only own negligible portions anyway.
January 31: Bandwidth cost counting begins anew tomorrow. If he pays today's bandwidth bill, he can keep the servers alive for a possible later sale, after he's safely out of the country. But keeping the servers alive and running isn't an option. Bandwidth is too expensive. Baghdadlian, having posted upgrade notices days earlier, shuts the servers down, tells family and friends to keep quiet. Gets the hell out of Dodge.
Early February: People start calling Baghdadlian, maybe even a few get through. Some get a bullshit story about him being arrested. Anything to buy time. If they know he's out of the country right now, they'll start looking for him, and some may even be owed enough money that they would do something bad. Old Pink and Gypsy Nirvana (among others) believe Baghdadlian's story. He may even have told them that he can't get on the Internet because of bail conditions. They, knowing as little about law enforcement procedures as he does, believe him and tell the world.
Mid-February: At some point, after bazillions of holes are poked through the story by forum posters, it becomes clear to Gypsy Nirvana that Baghdadlian is lying his ass off. Nirvana, being the good businessman that he is, sees dollar signs. Heaven's Stairway is gone for good, he sees. His seed company will benefit. Not only that, but Overgrow is gone for good. If he can slip in and maybe even duplicate the functionality of Overgrow, he can get its business, too, which while killing his bandwidth will also bring in a built-in base of trusting seed customers. He starts moving behind the scenes to do what he can to get Overgrow or at least some of its data. Meanwhile, Old Pink also doubts some of Baghdadlian's story, but he still believes its core; he believes in Baghdadlian. Not wanting the hard reality to be true, he does what most religious folks do: he starts making excuses for Baghdadlian, even making shit up along the way to defend his friend.

So far, that's what I think happened. Subject to change as more information becomes available.

Money talks and bullshit rules

I feel so clean. I always knew and said that Overgrow/Cannabisworld/Gypsy Nirvana were sacks of shit run by lying, slandering, anti-activist, anti-legalization exploiters. And I am glad they are gone and that these crooks screwed the people who made it all possible, the miscreants who went to those sites. Overgrow, Cannabisworld, Baghdadlian and Gypsy Nirvana were sewers of degradation and exploitation, propped up by thousands who figured 'who cares if we trash Emery's reputation gratuitously for years, theres some good grow advice here'. Every creep in the business had a shingle at one of those three sites. OG'ers and Scamabisworld, welcome to ICMAG.com .Money talks and bullshit rules. How true Mark!!

To be continued....................

FEBRUARY 27TH 2006 by Marc Scott Emery

'nothing travels faster than paranoia'

On January 31,grow-information websites overgrow.com, cannabisworld.com and seed selling website hempqc.com (Heaven's Stairway) went off-line without explanation.
Overgrow.com was the most popular website in the world for marijuana cultivators and aficionados. Both overgrow and cannabisworld had extensive commercial tie-ins with dozens of seed distribution outfits. There was no notice anywhere about the fate off these three sites. They simply went off-line with no explanation.
The next day, I called around to various businesses and asked, 'What's up with the site where your company is promoted?' and I was told " server maintenance for a few days."
With no notice or announcement, I thought that foolish business. In this cannabis world, nothing travels faster than paranoia.
Then one of the seed companies that sponsor cannabisworld called me to say, " RC (the owner of the three sites) may have just cut and run. He was having some trouble with Hell's Angels or some kind of trouble like that."
Indeed, as February 1st came and passed, deep concern in the online cannabis world grew exponentially.
Shortly afterward, ICMAG.com, owned by a Glen Foster, commonly known as Gypsy Nirvana, had announced that Richard Calrisian (real name Hratch Baghdadlian of Montreal, Quebec) had been "busted" for seed sales and that he would be releasing a "statement" shortly. That was about 20 days ago and no official statement from the owner of Heaven's Stairway seeds and OG/CW has ever been forthcoming.
Ten days passed and speculation was rampant, but verifiable facts were few. CannabisCulture.com Online wrote
by February 5 that Baghdadlian had indeed taken the money and run. Baghdadlian would have had about $250,000 in funds for seeds, services, advertising that he no longer is able to provide service for. Indeed, we received reports early on that credibly claimed Baghdadlian (Armenian name) had gone to Greece where he has standing, and to where he recently bought land. His family is not commenting.
After the revelation about Richard Calrisian's real name, all the jails and court dockets were checked but no confirmation came up in any way that implied Hratch Baghdadlian had been arrested or charged with anything. Nor were police boasting about any "arrest" of this prominent seed vendor and website proprietor.
Thousands of refugees from Overgrow.com and cannabisworld.com scattered to various existing cannabis websites, causing upheavel at each place. Scraps of news from Feb. 1 to Feb. 20 would show up on websites like planetganja.com, icmag.com and cannabisculture.com. Thousands of former OG'ers and CW'ers were being pulled all over the net in search of the "truth" or failing that, at least a new virtual home.
ICMAG.com, a website run by former Seedsdirect.com seedmeister Glen Foster (Gypsy Nirvana), claimed that Gypsy (Foster), and others intimate with Overgrow.com (Old Pink, Lothar, others) were in constant phone contact with Baghdadlian. They claimed every day for over 10 days that Baghdadlian would be releasing a statement about his bust. ICMAG.com was promoting the idea that Baghdadlian was busted January 31/Feb. 1st by Quebec police for vague charge of importing/exporting seeds. Then it was reported that Baghdadlian was arrested Feb. 1st and released Feb. 7 on some large bail for this vague and unverified by any source charge, ostensibly about importing/exporting seeds. No boasts by police and no traceable court files make this claim unverifiable, as it is to this day.
Then on February 15, a new player enters the drama. Apparently, Glen Foster of Gypsy Nirvana, split up with his wife a few years back and in that split, Mrs. Nirvana hooked up with a fellow who has been holding court at planetganja.com, called Plural of Mongoose.
This Plural of Mongoose claimed that he in fact has verifiable proof of a claim to ownership of 50% of overgrow.com. He further claimed that Hratch Baghdadlian and Glen Foster had organized a murder-for-hire plot whereby Baghdadlian & Foster together would hire someone (the HA connection?) to murder this new man of Seedsdirect mistress the (former) Mrs. Nirvana. Real names of these two will be forthcoming shortly.
ICMAG.com had originally been the most popular website for overgrow and cannabisworld refugees, but as the deceptions and lies piled up at ICMAG.com hundreds of new "members" of ICMAG.com were infuriated to learn that the reason OG is gone is because of greed and sordid criminality, not a seed bust as was originally stated.
It is believed thousands of grows were pulled down across the world when ICMAG.com reported that Foster, Old Pink and others had "talked" to Baghdadlian and "confiirmed" that Heaven's Stairway seed company had been busted on January 31 and that police had conducted a search of Baghdadlian's premises for up to 48 hours. It was presumed by all that this meant records, data, paper trails had exposed many people to possible police probes.
As we corroboate any "facts", we will add them to this box at the top of this thread.
The most current news is that as of today, Gypsy Nirvana, AKA Glen Foster, has resigned from his businesses in Amsterdam under a looming threat of lawsuits to be launched this week against him accusing him of attempted murder, theft of money from seedsdirect.com and a host of malfeasance claims.
In all this, High Times Magazine, who enjoyed a very cozy relationship on the forums of overgrow.com, has a new scandal to attach to its equally sordid and tarnished image. After having exposed thousands of readers and advertisers to criminal investigations like Operation Green Merchant, Operation Pipedreams, Operation Headhunter from 1987 to 2003, and never informing their readers about these investigations once HT became aware of them, now HT finds itself allied with a flim-flam man who has made off with the loot, the data, and may well be involved in a murderous squeeze play of a rival.

Source: Cannabis Culture

 

February 28th 2006 by Goddess Supreme

On Monday, February 27, it was confirmed by myself ( Goddess Supreme ) that charges of some kind were laid by the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted police) against Richard Baghdadlian and 6 others on February 7, 2006, where Baghdadlian and others had bail determined.
This confirmation was done using the information above
Richard Baghdadlian, birthdate: Sept. 13, 1967
This info was Goddess Supremeobtained by phone at 514-393-2032, the Office of the Criminal Courts of Quebec. This bureaucracy though is not that helpful, they said that any documents or further information would have to be obtained in person in any registry office in Quebec. So we are trying to get someone in Montreal at this time to check these details out.
We have copies of the charges from the registry office.
The following people are charged with conspiracy, manufacture of marijuana, distribution of pot (seeds) and cocaine, and possession with intent to distribute, CDSA schedule One and Schedule Two substances. It does not define whether these charges are for seeds or for actual controlled substances.

The accused are:

Richard Hratch Baghdadlian
Maria Christina Civitillo
Geogfrey Chan
Natalie Baghdadlian
Manuel Bento Fernandes
Christopher Almond

All 6 were arrested January 31. Search warrants were executed on various premises at the same time.
These charges confirm that RCMP, Canada's national police, have a vast collection of data and evidence seized from Baghdadlian and his operations. This has to be regarded as a security situation for any seed banks that did business through Heaven's Stairway, Baghdadlian, Cbay, and any growers that may have ordered seeds from Heaven's Stairway in January. The silence from anyone connected with these charges laid 3 weeks ago is eerie.

Source Cannabis Culture

LATEST INFO FROM CANNABIS CULTURE

MARCH 1ST 2006

 

 

The RCMP dismantles an international drug distribution network on the internet
ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE
March 1st 2006

MONTREAL, Feb. 28 /CNW Telbec/ - The members of the Marihuana Grow
Operations Enforcement Team of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police concluded
their first major operation when they uncovered a Montreal based criminal
organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation of
cannabis seeds, as well as in conspiring for the purpose of cannabis
cultivation via the Internet. This operation was launched in November 2004
under the name "Courriel" and culminated with the seizure of 200,000 cannabis
seeds and the arrest of seven persons.
Project "Courriel" revealed that Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN, 38, from
Marsan Street in Montreal, and six other persons operated the Heaven's
Stairway company. This company was on the web claiming to be the North
American supplier for indoor and outdoor cannabis production.
The cybercompany Heaven's Stairway used the Internet sites hempqc.com,
cannabisworld.com, overgrow.com, eurohemp.com, cannabisseeds.com, and
cannabisbay.com. These sites were used to order cannabis seeds online and
obtain information on cannabis cultivation. These Internet sites also
suggested ways to outsmart the police.
Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN was the instigator, head and main beneficiary
of the illicit company Heaven's Straiway. The other six accused acted as
couriers and performed other duties for the company. They are Geoffrey CHAN,
33, Maria Cristina CIVITILLO, 32, Natalie BAGHDADLIAN, 40, Manuel Bento
FERNANDES, 45, Christopher ALMOND, 38, and Teresa RODRIGUES, 39. They all live
in Montreal except Christopher ALMOND who livesovergrow, farewell, in Ville Saint-Laurent.
The organization processed approximately 30 orders of cannabis seeds a
day averaging $100 each. The seeds were sent to clients by regular mail.
The seven people are facing 49 charges under the Controlled Drugs and
Substances Act and the Criminal Code of Canada. The offences were committed in
Quebec, Canada, North America, the United Kingdom and elsewhere in the world
between March 12, 1998 and January 31, 2006.
Nine searches were carried out during the week of January 30, 2006 in
order to gather evidence that criminal activities had been committed. The
searches were conducted in Montreal and Laval, as well as in the residences of
three of the accused, a business, three post office boxes, a vehicle and a
safe-deposit box.
These searches led to the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds, more than
$183,362 in US currencies and $14,000 in Canadian currencies, both in cash and
postal money$183,362 in US currencies orders, three one-kilogram gold bricks, a Harley-Davidson
motorcycle, a Mazda RX8 and many purchase orders. Since the searches were
conducted, 272 orders have been intercepted by the police.
The amount of seeds seized during the searches could have made it
possible to operate approximately 500 cannabis greenhouses of 400 plants each,
which represent 42 million joints sold on the street.
The seven accused are liable to 10 years' imprisonment. Since the
possession of cannabis seeds is illegal under Schedule II of the Controlled
Drugs and Substances Act, clients of the network could also receive a visit
from the police. It should be noted that Project "Courriel", a first in Canada, is the
fruit of the work of the new Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team. This
new drug enforcement team is one of the seven teams established by the Royal
Canadian Mounted Police across Canada in 2004 to combat the scourge of
marihuana. The main objectives of these teams are to interdictRichard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN and friends... drugs before
they arrive in our communities and to target and destroy the infrastructure
and the networks used by criminal organizations involved in marihuana
production. These organizations constitute a threat to public safety and well-
being.

 

 

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'Darth Vader tactics'
Camille Bains
Ifpress.ca
March 3rd 2006

Vancouver >staring Marc Emery Pot crusader Marc Emery says his appearance on the news program 60 Minutes on Sunday will be an opportunity for Americans to see him as just an ordinary guy who regards himself as the Luke Skywalker fighting their government's Darth Vader tactics. Most people would be amused that the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration is trying to extradite him, More Tactics....


'Sixty Minutes'
Catherine Olian
Cbsnews.com
March 4th 2006

A Canadian who calls himself the "Prince of Pot" could wind up in a U.S. prisonBob Simon for life for selling marijuana seeds, but says he would be "blessed" because such a plight could help legalize the drug. 60 Minutes correspondent Bob Simon talks to Marc Emery, who had a mail-order pot seed business that Canada ignored and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency wants to prosecute him for, this Sunday, March 5th at 7pm, Full Appearance...

 

 

Entire transcript available at www.cbs.com

The Prince Of Pot
March 5, 2006

(CBS) His name is Marc Emery and he is called the "Prince of Pot." He claims to have sold more marijuana seeds than anyone in the world and, to date, no one has disputed that claim. He lives in Vancouver, British Columbia, where the culture is rather permissive concerning marijuana. The Canadian government, for the most part, has left Emery and his business alone.
But to the U.S., he is one of the most wanted men in the drug world. As 60 Minutes correspondent Bob Simon reports, officials in the U.S. government want him extradited to the United States. They want him in an American prison and they want him badly.
Emery believes that marijuana is a wonderful, healing drug and that to criminalize it is just plain silly. To his supporters, he’s a hero, the leader of the marijuana legalization movement. He has even run for mayor of Vancouver, twice.
But to the U.S. government, Marc Emery is a drug kingpin who should be prosecuted in the United States for selling drugs to Americans.
Asked if he has any idea how many of his customers were Americans, Emery says, "Yes, I would think that of the say, 120,000 people I dealt with, I’d say certainly 70,000 would have been Americans."
That’s why John McKay, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington, wants to bring Emery south, across the border.
Why are theJohn McKay, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington Americans going after Emery, who is a Canadian citizen, and not the Canadian government?
"Well, very simply, he’s a drug dealer," says McKay. "He’s dealing drugs into the United States and violating laws of the United States and we expect to extradite him and try him in the United States."
"Are there other Canadians who sort of are competitive with him in terms of volume?" Simon asked.
"Today, to our knowledge, Marc Emery is the biggest purveyor of marijuana from Canada into the United States," McKay replied.
Well, it’s not exactly marijuana. For over a decade, Marc Emery sold marijuana seeds. Technically, that’s illegal in British Columbia, but no one has ever gotten more than a slap on the wrist for doing it.
Emery’s headquarters since 2002, is a store in Vancouver, which also sells marijuana paraphernalia and the magazine Emery publishes, "Cannabis Culture." Inside the magazine is a mail order seed catalogue, but not for gardeners.
The catalogue, Emery explains, lists 550 different varieties of marijuana seeds.
"For height, you can get a short plant, a tall plant, a purple plant, a red plant, one that goes indoor, outdoor. One that’s good for almost anything that ails you," he explains. "That I could have sold to you and it would address your medical needs or whatever your needs are in regards to cannabis."
"Somebody could order any one of these strains and you’d just put it in an envelope?" Simon asked.
"Yes, very simple because you just need a number 10 business size envelope and away it went in the mail for just 85 cents," Emery replied.
Emery claims to be the first marijuana seed vendor to sell seeds directly over the Internet. His Web site, Marc Emery Direct, sold seeds with names like "Chocolate Chunk" and "The Hog," which sold at $275 Canadian (ca. $240 U.S.) for just 10 seeds, available to anyone in the world with access to a computer.
Asked how much money he has made in this business over the years, Emery says, "I would say that our sales of seeds over 10 years probably were around $15 million."
The seeds he sold were used to grow a highly prized type of marijuana called British Columbia bud, or "BC Bud." Only the bud of the plant is sold for smoking, making it much more potent — and expensive — than it was back in the days when people smoked crushed marijuana leaves and went to Woodstock.
"It is very powerful. It has a reputation — it’s almost been marketed, this, marijuana from British Columbia is great pot," McKay said.
Asked if there is something special about "BC Bud" or whether it is a marketing ploy, Emery said, "They’ve had a wonderful marketing man in charge of that campaign, yours truly."
He marketed the grass. He marketed the movement. He used the money he made selling seeds literally as seed money to finance the campaign to legalize marijuana in Canada and the United States.
His goal is to make marijuana a controlled substance like alcohol. Emery only smokes in moderation, he says, but he enjoys blowing it in the face of cops, as a provocation.
One such smoke-blowing incident got him arrested, but in tolerant Canada, he was only held for 24 hours.
He also produces and often stars in an online video show, Pot TV. His strategy, he says, is not to overthrow the government but to overgrow the government, spreading marijuana seeds throughout the world and winning the drug war against the United States.
"The whole idea was that I would help facilitate the growth of so much marijuana that the DEA and all the agencies of the United States would ever be able to destroy it at the rate I would help create it and that, ultimately, I, one man, would neutralize the work of the entire DEA with their multi-billion dollar budget," Emery said.
While Emery was busy being the self-proclaimed "Johnny Appleseed of Marijuana," the DEA was busy investigating him.
Last summer, the Canadian police — at the request of the U.S. government — shut down his seed business and arrested Emery, who is now out on bail.
Was he surprised that the DEA spent 18 months and a lot of money to get him charged?
"I’m flattered," said Emery.
Why spend so much time and money investigating a seed seller? Because under U.S. law, selling seeds is the same as selling marijuana itself. And selling "BC Bud" makes Emery part of a multi-billion dollar business the United States wants to crush.
"We have a huge regional, national and international issue here in the growing of marijuana in lower British Columbia," McKay said. "That’s a major problem for us. His activities are kind of at the leading edge of that marijuana problem. That’s the thing that really concerns us."
Asked if the problem is growing, McKay said: "Absolutely. And literally."
And it’s growing in some of the nicest neighborhoods in Vancouver. So much marijuana is grown inside homes in Vancouver that there’s a special unit in the local police force called "Grow Busters."
They raid homes — often expensive ones — that have been turned into indoor marijuana farms, called grow-ops. The police estimate there could be as many as 20,000 houses like this in British Columbia.
Each room has plants at different stages of growth. The Grow Busters cut down the plants and put the grow-ops out of business. But they grow back as quickly as they’re shut down and, since Canadian courts have been soft on marijuana offenses, growers rarely get much jail time, making this a high profit, low risk business.
DEA special agent Rodney Benson took 60 Minutes up in a helicopter to see some of the ways "BC Bud" is smuggled into the United States.
Benson pointed out the border, which in this case turned out to be a road. This road divides the two countries, half of it is in Canada, half in the United States.
The border stretches 4,000 miles, often through rural areas that are hard to police. Some drug traffickers just run across the border with hockey bags full of "BC Bud," others have more sophisticated means.
Marijuana smugglers dug a tunnel that started in a Quonset hut on the Canadian side, went under the road, and ended up in the living room of a house on the other side. "Their plan was to have that tunnel turn into a gold mine and push in thousands of pounds of marijuana (up) into the country," Benson explained.
"Well, guess they put a lot of hard work into it," Simon remarked.
"Yeah, but it didn’t pay off at the end of the day. We were there waiting for them," Benson replied.
Much of the marijuana crossing the border is smuggled by Asian and motorcycle gangs but the U.S. government says Marc Emery is responsible for more marijuana in the United States than any known gang.
Larry Campbell, a Canadian senator who formerly served on the drug squad of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, is well aware of Marc Emery.
Asked what he thinks of U.S. officials' stance that Emery is a major drug trafficker, Campbell says laughing, "Well, if he, if they consider that, then they have bigger problems than I can even imagine. There’s simply no way he’s a major anything."
"What would the public reaction be here if Marc Emery is extradited to the United States?" Simon asked.
"I think there’d be outrage," Campbell replied.
They might be outraged that the long arm of the U.S. law reached up into Canada to press charges against someone many Canadians consider harmless.
John McKay says he thinks Emery will be extradited.
"Do you realize what a political issue it’s gonna be in Canada?" Simon asked.
"We have full respect for the laws of Canada, for the sovereignty of Canada. We respect their laws and they respect our laws and he’s violated our laws," said McKay.
Actually, the laws aren’t all that different, it’s the punishment that is. For Emery, it’s the difference between a modest fine or hard time. He awaits his fate in a simple apartment — he’s never lived the lavish life of a drug dealer, since he claims to have given most of his money to the cause.
He doesn’t face any charges in Canada but, if he’s extradited to the United States, he’ll face all the charges in his indictment, which include selling and distributing marijuana.
Is everything in the indictment against him true?
"Everything that I could possibly verify is true," said Emery. "They have our customers, they have my methods and they have copies of my Web site even in there. And those are all quite correct."
"He said to us that nothing in the indictment is false. Everything is true. He admits that on camera," Simon told McKay.
"Right, well we expect to prove that with his help to a jury in the United States. And we expect to send him to prison for it," McKay replied.
McKay says, if convicted, Emery could face up to life in prison: "He has moved huge amounts of marijuana; the seeds are considered under U.S. law to be the same as marijuana plants and marijuana itself."
McKay says he doesn't know how much of a punishment Emery would get if convicted for the same crime in Canada, but acknowledges he'd probably get a lot less.
"Well, no one has ever gone to jail for selling seeds in Canada and only two people in 35 years have even been charged," said Emery. "The most recent person fined for selling seeds in the year 2000 received a $200 fine."
While Emery, with the help of his supporters, is fighting his extradition to the United States, he says he’s resigned to the possibility of prison and even sees a potential benefit, if it brings more attention to the legalization struggle.
"I am blessed by what the DEA has done," Emery said. "I’d rather see marijuana legalized than me being saved from a U.S. jail."
"Your language is pretty much that of a martyr," Simon remarked.
"The language I like to use is one of a person, a leader who’s confident and prepared to accept the punishment that noble purpose will bring about," Emery replied.
But McKay says he's not interested in Emery's cause.
"I’m not interested in his political beliefs, so-called political beliefs. What I’m interested in is the fact that he has distributed drugs in the United States, huge quantities of drugs," he said. "You know he calls himself the 'Prince of Pot' but he may become the prince of federal prison."
The Canadian courts will decide whether or not to hand Marc Emery over to the Americans. They’ve handed over drug dealers before and, with a newly elected conservative government in Canada, Emery fears that’s likely to happen.

By Catherine Olian ©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

 

Sowing drug war seeds
Chris Barry
Montrealmirror.com

Canadian pot-product merchants court disaster by going international.And then, suddenly, after a decade or so of relative calm, the war was on again.
The drug war, that is. Rumours had been circulating in official marijuana circles for over a month that something funny was up when the series of Web sites controlled by Montreal-based seed provider Heaven’s Stairway abruptly shut down earlier this year. Last week, the most ominous of the rumours were confirmed when the RCMP announced that it had indeed busted the Cartierville operation in late January and that owner Richard Baghdadlian, his wife and five employees faced serious charges and possibly lengthy jail terms. Seized in the raid were some 200,000 marijuana seeds, prompting the RCMP to describe Heaven’s Stairway as “a criminal organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation of cannabis seeds, as well as in conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internet.”
New sheriff in town?
The concern among some civil libertarians and pro-marijuana advocates is that this latest bust is a sign of things to come under the new Conservative government.
“I feel it’s certainly possible this is the pendulum swinging backwards and yeah, it concerns me,” says Marc-Boris St-Maurice, executive director of the National Organization of Reform of Marijuana Laws in Canada. “I mean, funny enough, the last time we saw a war on drugs/zero tolerance mentality in this country was back in ’88, when Mulroney got re-elected, and now we’re seeing another possible return of the wave with the new Conservative government coming to power. It’s some very stormy weather we’re seeing now. What will it be like when the dust settles? It’s hard to tell. But I guarantee you the Conservatives are not keen on Canada being known as a seed-selling country.”
RCMP spokesperson Sylvain Leroux points out that the Heaven’s Stairway investigation began in 2004, long before anyone dreamed the impossible dream of the Conservatives taking control of Parliament. “First of all, this bust is not from out of nowhere,” he says. “There had been complaints from different levels of government, and from foreign governments as well.”
When prodded, Leroux acknowledged that most—if not all—of that pressure had come from our clean-living neighbours to the south. Something that comes as no surprise to St-Maurice.
“My guess, if you look at the Marc Emery case in B.C. with the U.S. seeking to extradite him, is that at the same time they probably expressed interest in busting other Canadian seed sellers as well, and instead of letting the U.S. in to come and do it, like with Emery, the RCMP said, ‘Oh no, we’re gonna take care of it ourselves,’” says St-Maurice. “I think the Heaven’s Stairway arrest is an attempt to show our neighours that we’re actually doing something about it.”
Stay local
St-Maurice, however, doesn’t feel the crackdown on seed suppliers is necessarily the worst thing Canadian legalization advocates could ever hope for. In fact, he indirectly supports the RCMP on the issue.
“Look,” says St-Maurice, “they went after Heaven’s Stairway because of the international shipping aspect. And I think we should prevent people from exporting cannabis products from Canada. It’s one thing to turn a blind eye to selling seeds domestically, but when those seeds are being shipped to the United States, where it’s clearly illegal, well, the RCMP has a responsibility to prevent our citizens from breaking laws in other countries, even if they’re doing it from here. It’s complicated because it becomes an international issue. One of the key arguments against legalizing pot in Canada is that it will unleash a flood of pot into the U.S., and, well, something like this sort of helps to justify these arguments.
“My angle,” continues the long-time anti-prohibition warrior, “is that if Canada wants to be credible about legalizing pot, we’ve got to at least show we can prevent it from being exported to places where it’s illegal. Otherwise we’ll never be able to do it. My goal, our goal, is to legalize pot in Canada, not anywhere else and not be an inconvenience to any neighbours for doing so. By letting people operate with this international seed shipping stuff, it doesn’t bode well for that. So, in a way, it’s possible there’s sort of an upside to all of this.”
Tell that to Baghdadlian and his crew, who face possible 10 year prison sentences if found guilty.